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This weekend, Sonisphere landed at Knebworth House for its 3rd year. An estimated 100 000 rock and metal ns flocked to the iconic venue over 3 days to see some of the biggest names in music. Friday nightrue religio2 minute silence breaks up the noise at Sonispheret saw the big four perform for the first time together in the UK. As they entertained the crowded arena from the Apollo Stage, headliners Metallica were joined by Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax as legendary riffs were blasted out across the Hertfordshire countryside. Members of all four bands united on stage to play Am I Evil during Metallicas encore in front of the appreciatively wild audience.

Festival headliners, Slipknot, paid tribute to bassist Paul Gray with a 2 minute silence at 2 oclock on Sunday afternoon at Sonisphere festival.

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The announcement of Saturdays line-up was initially a surprise to many true metal ns as acts from the more commercial side of true religion ukrock graced the stage. Sonisphere founder, Stuart Galbraith always wanted the event to be a rock festival in the broadest sense and this year he invited the likes of Weezer, Bad Religion, The Mars Volta and headliners Biffy Clyro to get in on the action. The bare-chested, Kilmarnock rockers had the crowd, slightly soggy from an earlier deluge, singing along to chart hits Many of Horror and That Golden Rule as they brought Saturdays entertainment to a close.

Slipknot may have stolen the show on Sunday with their distinctive aggressive thrashing accompanied by impressive pyrotechnics but notable mentions must go to Motorhead, Limp Bizkit and comedian Bill Bailey who preceded the masked, metal icons. The controversial decision to make Bailey the headline act on the Saturn Stage paid off as around 50 000 poncho-wearing, metalheads joined the musical comic in chants of Asda, Im not gonna be your and Satan, have a word with yourself.

true religio2 minute silence breaks up the noise at Sonisphere, As he spoke to the crowd about Gray who died last May of an accidental morphine overdose, front man Corey Taylor described the tour as having been very, very emotional but that it was a night for positivity and fking celebration

From the sentences on people involved in corruption, the impression is that corruption pays. If I steal N200 million I am a fool, but if I steal N2 billion I can plea bargain  and I am released. The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC, is playing on the intelligence of Nigerians. If we want to fight corruption, we must fight it to the end. Almost all the people charged to court four years ago for corruption, are in the Senate.

In 1966, there was a working government.

Willy OGBIDI, Public Relations Expert, Head of Faculty, Nigeria Institute of Public Relations

The police have been made redundant by poor equipment and poor training.  Abuja should have been built to be crime free. How can police solve a riddle without the right equipment? Ordinary CCTV (close circuit television) is not available in sensitive areas of Lagos. London put up CCTV after the training bombing. Of course, theirs will work, they have no issues with power ilure.

Poverty is fuelled by corruption we cannot escape tackling the issue from that point. Everything that ils in a system comes down to corruption.

Talking Point

We cannot talk about security without looking at why other countries are secure. When corrupt prospers, more crimes will start. This explains why other countries take corruption serious. Corruption is not only a crime on its own, it creates other crimes. The new UK Anti-Corrupt Act is to protect the society. In those societies, they do not wait for the problems; they take measures to avert them. If we stop educating our people, if we allow infrastructure to decay, crimes will fester and we will be building a iled society.

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The first problem is the misuse of religion, it is so pervading. People in authority think that whatever they do is Gods will. Their evil deeds, they also count as Gods wish. When Babangida was in-charge, he was a master in instigating crisis, creating instability so that he could do what he wanted.

Nnanna: We have done before, we can do it again. The killers are the enemies of the state. Boko Haram are human being, they live somewhere. The tales around them is an old trick, used by kidnappers in other places, who roped others into their trade.

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Rear Admiral Sunday Abiodun OLUKOYA (rtd), former Defence Attach to Cameroon, former Military Administrator (old Ondo State)

Sweet Crude

EVERYBODY is talking about security. The concerns appear to end with the talks. As bombs go off as routine in Maiduguri, Bauchi, Kaduna, Abuja and other targets that the criminals may choose, too much attention is paid to chasing the criminals after the crime. Why the sudden rise in insecurity? What can be done? Is anyone noticing that while all the attention is on the bomb spots, kidnappers are returning? Will Nigerians ever feel safe again? What are the causes of insecurity? Where are the police and government? On a wet Wednesday morning with intimidating traffic jams on the abandoned Apapa-Oshodi Expressway, our panellists weathered the storm to x-ray the challenges and proffer solutions. The challenges are not new, though new initiatives are required to tackle them. You will find them here

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Uwazurike: There is poverty of leadership at all levels. The man at the top surrounds himself with sycophants who must key into his thinking or they are out of government. The lessons from the events in the Arab world are deep about how little people in power know about the people. Some Arab rulers are asking what the people want after more than 40 years in power. What have they been doing all those years? How did they rule without knowing what the people want? We ce the same problem here. Those in power do not care about the people.

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Moderator: Ikeddy ISIGUZO, Chairman, Vanguard Editorial Board

Chief Goddy UWAZURIKE, Lawyer, Principal Partner, Uwazurike & Associates, Vice President, Aka Ikenga

Government is part of the crime we are discussing. The suspects are in the ones in one arm of government of the other. Thieves now look after the stolen property.

Obakpolor

Henry Adeniyi BALOGUN, Lawyer, Security Training Consultant, The Alpha Institute

Balogun: Religion remains the opium of the poor. The Hamas Charter outlines the position of the Islamic Palestine. Members are those who fear God and raise the banner of Jihad. They provided education and economic power and people followed them. Where there is a ilure of governance democratic, economic ilures insecurity increases. New Zealand has good leadership and governance and provides for the people. It is rated as a leading country in terms of security.

Obi: We are the cause of the insecurity today. The insecurity is the consequence of the things we did (badly) and the ones we iled to do.

Everyone is shifting the blame. Nobody is willing to do anything to address these issues. It is when things start getting out of hand that we apply some cosmetic solutions.

Cleanness has a relationship with the level of crime. A look at our environment can easily tell the extent of crime. We may not eradicate corruption; we can minimise it. Corruption exists in both public and private sectors, but we emphasise corruption only in the public sector. The private sector has its own corruption and compromises those who are in government.  When people do not compromise their positions in public office, it is an issue of personal conviction. I am talking from personal experience.

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Philomena IKULAYO, Lawyer, Professor of Psychology, University of Lagos

There are talks of dialoguing with Boko Haram. How do you dialogue with those who are killing everyone and deny Western education? They are targeting even people of their religion, saying they are the true religion. Others are fighting terrorism decisively. They are enemies and must be treated that way. After dealing with the criminalities involved, government must find ways to expand the economy for the benefit of the people. One of the stest growing economies, according to statistics, must reflect on the lives of the people through increased production and productivity.

University students have issues. Is anyone interested in coming to their rescue? They cannot pay fees, the lecturers make all types of demands on them, and the children are out there on the streets to make money to meet these needs when they should be in school.

What are the solutions?

Crime Alert

It might have had problems, but it did not have the type of money available today. We were working with thousands, now it is trillions, and people are suffering more.  A mustard seed that was sown in 1966 introduced corruption and the crimes that we are talking about today. The civil service was stable. The civil servants were hardly thinking of providing for themselves.

The government is not responsible enough; it does not listen. God wants us to listen more before decisions and talk less that is why we have two ears and one mouth. We hear only rhetoric. Last February 1, we warned government at this Conference Hall on the impending security problems (post election violence). Nobody listened.

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Mike IKHARIALE, Professor of Constitutional Law, Executive Consultant, LRDC, Lagos

Poverty and proliferation of churches, mosques, gambling and drinking places are signs of the state of the country. People are searching for solutions. The more people pray, the worse the issues. The pastors are busy deceiving them, prospering from the poverty of the people. Most of the properties the churches acquire are in the pastors names. During wars and crises, churches prosper. The sycophancy that we see in governments follows all the way to the places of worship. Pastors and imams are lling over each other to be close to those in government. Who then will tell them that the people are suffering?  This state of hopelessness adds to loss of ith of the people in governments. They could resort to crimes in protest.

Insecurity and infrastructure ilure are linked to corruption. Until the President and Governors distance themselves from those charged with corruption, the fight against corruption will be futile. We remember that the proceeds of corruption fuel other crimes while corruption itself cripples societys abilities to make progress.

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Ogbidi: We should realise that many of our criminals are clever enough to plan for their future. Some of them are funnelling the resources from their illegal activities into activities that affect the operations of legitimate afirs of society. They are the ones determining who becomes what in the society. They are sponsoring people into offices at all levels. The infiltration of governments by criminals will affect law and implementation of our laws.

After two years in office, Obasanjo used the rest of the time to play the power game. All these they will tell the people are the will of God.

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All the things that we do not have are because of corruption. We tend to talk of the past, when things worked, but the same issues we are talking about now were always there. The difference may be in the ct that there is more information about them and the number of people involved in crimes has increased, again due to the ctors we have been discussing. The children are doing more of the things the older generations did. We do not plan and it hurts Nigerians very well.

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Obakpolor: The military incursion in 1966 came with security problems. The committee that the government has set up to tackle the security problems cannot do anything. Committees work where there are established systems that can understand the work they have done and know how to implement them.

Rational Perspectives

There is nothing wrong with religion. People can use religion to win over their societies. A society should be concerned about its future. What do we think would happen when the youth are uneducated? What will happen if unemployment continues? Can we see the relationship between these and the rise in crimes?

Everything changed by 1975, when Murtala Mohammed started removing them without paying them any benefits. Most of them died from the shock, others survived but lived in penury. Those who were still in service learnt quickly from this. They started putting things aside for themselves. From 10 per cent they have moved to 90 per cent.  The abandoned projects we have all over the place are the testimonitrue religioSecurity Stemming the tide (2es to what corruption has done to the system.

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They mystify themselves it difficult for those who know them to report to the security agencies. When government moved in the soldiers against the kidnappers, things changed. The panacea for dealing with criminality is to use the force available to the State. There must be means of preventing future occurrences.

No more excuses. We all know about Murdoch now.

I know it’s not considered polite to be judgmental but I’ll say it: to work for any part of News Corp, Murdoch, Fox and/or any or all of his companies, let alone to publish books with him makes you an accomplice to a very bad person.

Do the religious authors their fortunes off Murdoch wear gloves when they cash their royalty checks? Do they ever dare look in the mirror?

We can’t boycott every dubious corporation on earth. But with Murdoch’s sleaze-infested ambition to control the politics of so much of the world a reality a line’s been crossed. It is time to pull an Arab Spring on the whole Murdoch empire and overthrow it. And we of the outraged street can do it at last because so many political and media leaders, who have sucked up to Murdoch for decades, are running for cover.

It’s time to hold all Murdoch&39;s collaborator’s feet to the fire, especially the big and mous sell outs who can go anywhere with their books or scripts. And why would any decent or blog review any book, film or TV show that enriches Murdoch? He should be blacked out before he takes us all down with him.

Okay, they deserve a second chance.

true religioMurdoch Gets Rich Off High-Profile Evangelicals,Here&39;s what you might not know about Rupert Murdoch: he’s one of the leading religion publishers in the world.

I published two books with Harper Collins some years ago after Murdoch had taken over. I had a deal with the Smithsonian that was tied into Harper Collins for distribution, then the Smithsonian backed out but my books stayed at Harpers. After they were published I thought about – and regretted — helping Murdoch. I&39;ve never published with them again.

Where are the big time religion writers like the "I-give-all-my-royalties-to-the-poor" Rick Warrento be foundrefusing to publish with Zondervan, Harper One or write another word for Beliefnet?What’s mildly lefty Rob Bell’s defense for enriching Murdoch and helping to finance Fox News via publishing with Harper One when he could publish with anyone?

Murdoch knows something I found out way back in the 1970s and 80s, when I was still my founder-of-the-religious-right Dad’s sidekick and a right wing evangelical leader/shill myself: There’s gold in them-thar God hills! James Dobson alone once gave away 150,000 copies of one of my evangelical screeds that sold more than a million copies. (I describe why I got out of the evangelical netherworld – fled — in my bookSex, mom and God.)

What serious, let alone decent religiously conscious person – left or right, conservative or liberal — would knowingly work to enrich this dreadful man who will go down in history as the epitome of everything that all religion saysits against: lies, greed, criminality, and sheer disgusting exploitation of the defenseless that would shame a sewer rat?

So are religious moralizers and others writing about religious and/or moral themes prepared to enrich the Murdoch media juggernaut forever while Rupert Murdoch further corrupts UK, American and Australian politics while his companies trade in human misery for profit by hacking murder victim&39;s phones, paying off the police, elevating smut to a national sport and even hacking the phones of killed soldiers’ milies?

Maybe one day soon Murdoch will go to jail as might his son, as will several of their UK editors if many alleged and disgusting and illegal acts of pirate journalism are proved true, ranging from bribing the police to hacking the phones of bereaved mily members of killed service men and women and child murder victims. Make no mistake: when it comes to the Murdoch media empire we&39;re talking about the lowest form of journalismas detailed by the Guardian news.

Knowing what we know about the union-busting, slime-spreading Murdoch empire and it&39;s disgusting and criminal actions can a moral person work for or use the products of this all-encompassing web of profit, r right politics and corruption?

He publishes with Harper One. Thus Chopra is helping finance Fox News. And so is Desmond Tutu. He’s also a Harper One author.

What about journalists working for Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal?

From here on out it’s time to out those who choose to stay in bed with the sleazy man from down under who elbowed his way into America and the UK, damaged our political systems, perhaps tally, all the while insulting our intelligence and aiding andabettingour war machine.

Secular un-saved and "godless" and "liberal" authors like Jeff Jarvis have pulled books from Harper Collins because it’s owned by Murdoch ashewrites: [my] next book,Public Parts, was to be published, like my last one, by News Corp.&39;s HarperCollins. But I pulled the book because in it, I am very critical of the parent company for being so closed. It&39;s now being published by Simon and Schuster.

And Murdoch publishes Rob Bell and other so-called progressives evangelical stars as well as run of the mill evangelical right winger’s books though Harper One, the "religious" division of Harper Collins, another Murdoch company.

The authors publishing with Murdoch serve a religious market so fine-tuned to grandstanding hypocrisy and moralizing, that, for instance, my novels about growing up religious (Portofino, Zermatt and Saving Grandma) will never be sold in the thousands of CBA member (Christian Bookseller’s Association) bookstores becausetrue religioMurdoch Gets Rich Off High-Profile Evangelicals – horrors! – my books have pronity and in them!

Murdoch bought the venerable evangelical Zondervan publishing house. I knew the founding Zondervan mily, a clan of strict Bible-believing Calvinists who’d have bathed for a week in the Jordan River to purify themselves if they’d ever even brushed up against Murdoch and his minions! Later generations sold out.

Go figure!

For that matter where are the evangelical/Roman Catholic/Muslim—or just minimally decent — people, religious or irreligious guests and commentators now refusing to be interviewed by Fox News even if it will help sell their books?

I don&39;t think so.

You bet!

But those same CBA stores gladly sell tens of millions of books — annually — published by Murdoch, a man with the moral rectitude of the herpes virus, a man who runs the companies that gave Glenn Beck a megaphone, that hacked a dead girl&39;s phone, that lied about Iraq&39;s involvement in 9/11, and thus contributed to the war-of-choice needless killing of almost 5000 American soldiers by George W Bush.

So here’s my question to Rob Bell of the God-loves-everybody school of touchy-feely theology and/or to the right wing "mily values" crowd who worry about gay marriage between responsible loving adults while they perform financialfellatioon the mightiest and most depraved/pagan media baron to ever walk the earth:

You see, Murdoch has bought into and now owns a huge chunk of American religion and is suckling from the profitable God-teat along with the likes of Rick Warren and Rob Bell et al.

Will liberals in Hollywoodstillunderwrite Murdoch with their lives and continue to work for Fox TV and Fox Films?

Murdoch also bought the all purpose all-religion-is-great-if-it-sells-something religion site Beliefnet and"Inspirio" - religious gift production, specialists tawdry religion-junk of the one-more-pair-of-praying-hands made of pressed muck kind.

And what about all the progressive stars, producers and writers doing deals with the Fox movie empire?Such Hollywood moralists used to boycott working in the old apartheid South Africa, butwillwork for/with Murdoch today as he empowers the r religious racist right through Fox News! Desmond Tutu used to call for boycotts of r right religious nuts in South Africa oppressing blacks in the name of God, and now he’s a Murdoch contributor!

What aboutDeepak Chopra?

Mea Culpa!

Rick Warren, Rob Bell and company helped Murdoch fund his tabloid-topless-women-on-page-3 empire, phone hacking of murdered teens and Fox News&39; spreading "birther" and "death panel" lies about the president. They helped Murdoch by enriching him. And these weren’t unknown authors just lucky to get published anywhere, they could have picked anybody to sell their books.

An influential Tea Party group&39;s leader goes on record about the right-wing group&39;s intentions.

But of course the religion writers have plenty of company.

Frank Schaeffer is a writer and author of Crazy for God: How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back.

I only have one excuse, I didn&rsqutrue religion uko;t know much about Murdoch then. But who would willingly publish anything with any Murdoch , magazine or book publisher now, knowing what we all know?

Post UK meltdown, will Tutu, Bell, Chopra et al – big time authors with a choice of publishers — still publish yet more books with Harper One, and/or with Zondervan?

Why should the people – religious leaders, writers, actors, agents, producers et al — who help Murdoch wreck America and the UK — remain respectable in our countries?

Rupert Murdoch is one of America’s number one publishers of evangelical and other religious books, including the 33-million seller Purpose Driven Life by mega pastor and anti-gay activist Rick Warren. Murdoch is also publisher of "progressive" Rob Bell’s Love Wins.

Is it man or myth, mate? Ask your any Pikey, if you believe in that lot, "what is his take on all this "British" is, eh?" Well, blimey, a Pikey reaction is quite a hare racing thing. And I&39;m sure he may have you believing that this is the "Britishism" is a righteous infliction of the sense that retribution is owed him on a bet due whenever manifested by or in the vicinity of his or somewhere elses tea cosy. The sharp side, the blunt slide. What do you want, a lesson? Who can say for sure, mate?

true religioComment,According to Computerworld, Jobs Mob has lost more than a third of its UKiPhone market share since June 2010.

High 5. Dun leave me hangin, bro.

iOS was down pretty much across the board: its share fell from 30.6 per cent to 18.3 per cent in the UK. Apple apologists say that Jobs Mob is not selling less, it is just not flogging as many as Android. However for a product which claims to be superior in every way, this means that there is something wrong.

A mate of mine got into hot water in the London Apple store after he was outraged when, after helping someone fix a computer, two members of staff high-fived each other.

Just call me "Ichibod" and inscript me low brow, bro, but I don&39;t get up the minerals you say as to a proper standing belief that all chaps can know whether or not there is a "British"; or is they not?

While it is not news that people have lost interest in Symbian, the dramatic ll in Apple to Android must be worrying Jobs Mob.

Apparently Apples moderate majority have had a gutsful of the Walled Garden of Delights and are converting toAndroid.

For a start it says that the number of people who buy Apple gear are finite, while the numbers who buy Android are infinite. It implies that rather than being the king of technology, Apple is pandering to a fixed market who buy what ever they are told. That market of true religion uktechnologically illiterate, wealthy, Coldplay listening ns is large, but not statistically that important.

He told them that they should not do that because they were f British. This sort of attitude, which is why British people crindged when the BBC made a documentary on the Apple religion, which basically explains why Android is starting to gain ground. After all what British person wants to be identified with those creeps, unless they are Americans who are the source of it all?

It&39;s impossible to know anything about "British" or about the creation of "Britishism" in the universe, apart from what some higher form of poshterity comes again.

&8220;You get a better class of person at orgies, because people have to keep in trim more&8221; - Gore Vidal

What this means is that Apples core base is amongst the puritan, fundamentalist Americans who tend to like their religion dictated to them by loud spitting preachers. In Europe, people are a bit more culturally sophisticated, they will look at things a little more pragmatically. Apple style Fundamentalism does not sit very well in Europe.

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The figures come from Kantar and are mostly being seen as a sign thatSymbian is dying more than anything else. For example in the UK Symbians share fell from 32.7 percent to 10.7 percent. However what is strange is that whileRIM in most countries in the UK its share rose from 19.4 percent to 22.3 percent.

Smartphones, however are different. True, Jobs did lead the way in smartphones motrue religioCommentre accessible, but his software is now eclipsed by much cheaper and freer Android numbers.

It seems that the heathens in Europe are abandoning the fruity cargo-cultApple almost as st as the Anglican church is losing its members.

This might be one of the reasons why other outfits have not been able to duplicate Apples success with keyboardless netbooks. No one really wants tablets and their use is just as limited as they were when Microsoft was trying to push them. However, Apples large, limited, and stupid market will buy them because Steve and his tame Apple press say they are important.

Apple nboys are insisting that the reason for the conversions is because the world is waiting for the new iPhone 4, which are slightly cheaper.

I loved the program strictly kosher as a jjewish women living in a none jewiish house hold anymore it brings back some good memories for me as i know longer follow any religon at all both my parent was jewish and both sides of the milys on my thers side they was very orthadox i know long have any communication with my mily as both my parents have now past away some years ago and i was like an out cast in many ways because i did not follow my religon and went my own way .I think this program was a great insite to the way jewish people live and the great community they have . I choose to live my life without religon and asr as im concerned if you help people and are good to others then you get your rewards in llife in heaven above

As an English-Scottish-German-Australian-Jewish cross-breed, I was most attracted to Joels non-dogmatic approach simply because he came across as the most open and tolerant, though it was not hard to also warm toconcentration camp survivor JackAizenberg, who regarded his grandsons barmitzvah as not so much a cultural rite of passage as a V-sign to the Nazis. Bernettes husband accepted that many Jewish communities are, by nature, insular but argued that the outside world has not been very kind to us. Curiously, now that the outside world is being a lot kinder to Jews, thestest-growing community in Manchester is the ultra-orthodox. There are comparatively few documentaries you wish had been twice as long; this was one of them.

Rev. Abraham: There is no such thing as moderate Islam. You mentioned moderate Muslim and you need to define what a moderate Muslim is. But lets go back to moderate Islam: There is no such thing. Islam is locked on a seventh-century Arabian religion.

I came to the conclusion that British Masters was a classic case of using 20/20 hindsight to make an artist fit a theory. A real shame because it promised much more.

Id like one about an orthodox jew who supports QPR and all the scrapes that ensue on a Saturday. Or what about an pro-diaspora jew married to an anti-diaspora jew living next-door to a palestinian muslims. Or how about…

However inward-looking some Jewish communities may be, they dont come close to the BBC. I had wanted to review Rageh OmaarsTheLife of Muhammad (BBC2) as it promised to be the first film to examine the life of the prophet. The films producer had also wanted me to review it. The BBC said there had been one private screening last Tuesday and thatI had missed it. The Guardian explained that I had not received an invitation; the BBC replied it would be unir for them to arrange another for me. The gospel preached by the BBC is one of tough love. I realise that any film about Muhammad is potentially sensitive but, given that Omaars intention was to demystify Islam, it unavailable for review seemsoddly counter-productive.

And it was annoying to be constantly told that this artist was the greatest X, that painting was the greatest Y, without having any frame of reference for what was happening elsewhere in Europe.

TVtonight Strictly Kosher, 9pm, ITV1. HeresGraceDents TV OD from Saturday in case you missed it

It is NOT that women need to go to a bathhouse before they have .

I dont know, you get plenty of Christian people who would never describe themselves as religious but will still baptise their children, get married in a church etc. Im not saying its my choice, Im not religious so would never have a christening for any future children (Ive no interest in marriage at all so a church wedding is a moot point) but theres plenty of people who do it.

Otherwise an interesting and well thought out programme.

I enjoyed it, though I found Bernette a bit wearing.

Islam is a socio-political system- not a religion.

Im not sure the likes of Lewis and Spencer are neglected these days, but it was nice to see some time spent on Nash and Bomberg. That extract from Nashs letter to his wife was pretty bloody powerful.

Is There Such a Thing as a Moderate Islam?

I hope one day for the documentary about the day the whole of Humanity realised it should live for itself and each other, not for a mythical creature. Believe in yourself and the people you love.

If it just been presented as, heres a neglected aspect of British art that I think deserves a second look it would have been fine. But he made claims for the paintings and the artists that he simply couldnt back up, and overall it came across as hyperbole. What a shame.

And yes, why did he have to stand in front of so many of the paintings he was talking about? Why did he show us so few?

I enjoyed the British Masters, knowing very little about Vorticism-I found the progarm illuminating. so much so i spent a few hours on the net researching people like Wyndham Lewis

I enjoyed British Masters, though I agree the hyperbole did get in the way a bit. Its undoubtedly true, as Fox pointed out, that Wyndham Lewis wasnt a nice man. But describing him as one of the most poisonous minds of the 20th century is overdoing it a bit.

Husband and wife are not allowed to touch AT ALL during the womans period, and for 7 days without blood thereafter.A woman is required to go to the mikvah after these 7 without blood days and thereafter the husband and wife are again allowed to touch, and then naturally to have .It is NOT that women need to go to a bathhouse before they have .What utter nonsense you have made of this ritual by taking it out of context.

SanityRestored - yes, well, any tradition, religious or not, can look ridiculous outside its historical, cultural and sometimes religious context.

I just wished we could have seen more of the paintings rather than numerous clips of modern life, of which were all very well aware.

Quite possibly–the connection between mikvah night and ovulation is certainly well known. In ct, there is a condition known as halachic infertility whereby the woman ovulates prior to mikvah.

He had been entertaining enough on the individual painters and I had learned a great deal about their art not difficult, as I knew next to nothing before but I was none the wiser as to why so many of these painters appeared to have been overlooked outside Britain as good, but not great, artists so quickly. If these works are the timeless masterpieces that Fox claimed, surely someone, somewhere else in the world might have noticed? Still, I guess you have to expect a little hype in the art market. Or maybe, as some of the Manchester Jews would say, tradition is all just a matter of ith.

The programme also presented the idea of inteith marriages as simply not done… well, the option wasnt even spoken of. Personally, I like having a mix.

So youve got that side of the moderates, who are just doing their thing, just as we have a lot of Christians in our churches who know nothing about the Bible. You see somebody who comes to church, does his thing, but then something happens in his life and he says, You know, I need to seek God. I need to be more serious about Christianity. And he starts reading the Bible and God starts speaking to him, convicting him, and he becomes excited about what God is saying and he starts talking about how God is taking care of him and his mily. So he becomes a more active Christian and more ithful to God. Hes no longer just a nominal Christian sitting in the pew keeping that seat warm. Its the same thing with Islam. So youve got that one side of the nominal Muslim.

Any observant person who came into contact with a corpse or men who have had a seminal discharge (to name a few examples) would also go to the bath house for purification.

Just want to clear a few things up about Strictly Kosher:

What utter nonsense you have made of this ritual by taking it out of context.

Then youve got the other side, the second kind of moderate Muslim. People like Dr. [M. Zuhdi] Jasser from Arizona, who was featured in a documentary, The Third Jihad. He is a Muslim medical doctor of Syrian heritage who is speaking out against the jihad and the violent side of Islam. He wants to reform Islam, but he cant. Hes a reformed Muslim, as a human being. He likes the Constitution, and he was in the Navy for about four years. He served thitrue religion uks country ithfully. I like him. Hes a reformed Muslim, but he cannot reform the religion, or the ideology. The ideology is locked.

From a long interview (1/11/2010) in The New American magazine with Rev. Elijah Abraham. Rev. Abraham was born and raised as a Muslim in Iraq, but converted to Christianity.

And why did Dr Fox stand in FRONT of the paintings a lot of the time, thus obscuring our view?

TNA: Is there such a thing as a moderate Muslim?

A woman is required to go to the mikvah after these 7 without blood days and thereafter the husband and wife are again allowed to touch, and then naturally to have .

Husband and wife are not allowed to touch AT ALL during the womans period, and for 7 days without blood thereafter.

Ive always found the wearing of a yarmulke by orthodox jews interesting in that one head must be covered at all times whilst observance dictates that the other head will be uncovered forever.

Rituals worth observing are the ones that are mandated by Jewish law. The idea of having through a hole in the sheet is a myth and is not practised by anybody, so thats definitely not worth observing. Arranged marriages, in the sense that spouses are chosen by the parents and the couple do not meet before the wedding, dont occur. I guess the ultra-Orthodox can have short dating periods, but its not like the couple dont have any choice in who they marry.

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I completely agree that I wished Strictly Kosher had been longer. Speaking as someone who considers himself half Jewish but is actually gentile according to the laws of Jewish ith (I have a Jewish ther and Christian mother), its a window into a world Im not really part of. Im probably like a great many Jewish Brits: we love the culture and feeling of community, but we live incredibly secular lifestyles.

We often tend to lump everyone from the same ethnic background into the same box and call them a community. But asStrictly Kosher (ITV1), Chris Malones affectionate portrait of Jews living in Manchester, made clear, theres no such thing as an identikit Jew and, beyond a shared cultural allegiance, there are actually several different Jewish communities living near-parallel lives that only occasionally appear to intersect.

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And otherwise it sounds so sane.

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Oh, and self-indulgent it may have been, but I think he had a pretty good stab at Zang Tuum Tumb.

true religioTV review: Strictly Kosher; British Masters,Theres Joel, the non-Kosher, non-religious owner of a womens clothes shop, for whom being Jewish is mainly about mily and having a good time. His daughters Bollywood batmizvah was a multicultural extravaganza. Theres the observant Bernette, for whom the Sabbath is a day of absolute rest the food has to be pre-cooked and the toilet has to be pre-torn. Id have liked to have heard more from her as it wasnt entirely clear how she differentiated between those rituals worth observing and those not. She laughed at the idea of having through a hole in the sheet, yet found it utterly normal to be asked to go to abath house before having presumably the men are naturally clean and saw nothing odd in arranged marriages. And then there are the ultra-orthodox Jews, of whom we saw very little. Presumably they did not want to be filmed.

Roughly speaking, a woman would be coming towards her time of peak fertility after that 7 day period of abstinence from intercourse. Maybe, like a lot of rituals, the origins of this are logical, in this case improving the chances of pregnancy?

>it wasnt entirely clear how she differentiated between thotrue religioTV review: Strictly Kosher; British Mastersse rituals worth observing and those not.

Yes Strictly Kosher was superb. Religious symbols are endlessly scinating and its amazing that some habit dictated by a bronze age tribal leader becomes so embedded in a culture.

Really enjoyed Strictly Kosher, for once a documentary that didnt start with the premise Lets poke fun at the Jew boys and their funny rituals. Mr Aizenberg was a gem of a find for the makers, erudite, strong, archetypal I suppose, a true survivor. His experiences drove him, yet they didnt seem to completely rule his life, in ct they seem, if its possible, to have enriched it. He had a handle on life and living that few of us have, we stroll through life and dont take much notice of it, Joe knew the value of life and made sure he used every second.

Strictly Kosher was an odd show for ITV to broadcast as it was quite enjoyable.

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Roughly speaking, a woman would be coming towards her time of peak fertility after that 7 day period of abstinence from intercourse. Maybe, like a lot of rituals, the origins of this are logical, in this case improving the chances of pregnancy?

British Masters was horribly self-indulgent, giving the presenter every opportunity to ham it up and act out scenes from the artists life - music hall acts, bicycling round French country lanes - if an artist did it, so did he. It also seemed to be the case that the more Fox was impressed by the artistss lives for their integrity, or their struggle, the more he liked their art.

Nothing earth-shattering but yeah, good.

The Jewish religion does not by any means view men as clean and women as dirty.

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Observant Jewish women go to the bath house 7 days after menstrual bleeding stops. The cleanliness mentioned, is spiritual and not physical. Menstruation involves the ejection of an egg and therefore has an element of death. The immersion marks the end of this period of spiritual uncleanliness. Only after this period (of abstinence, not menstruation) can a man and woman have intercourse.

Yes but the ct that people choose to ignore the idea of having through a hole in the street, and then other people can argue about this on the internet, just proves how ludicrous religion really is!

men who have had a seminal discharge (to name a few examples) would also go to the bath house for purification.

jokes

British Masters seemed too overcome with hyerbole at times to be a solid history - bigAlittlea you are almost definitely right about PW Lewis, i imagine he actually he come rather low on the evil spectrum. However it was a pretty absorbing show which hit with a knockout punch at the end with Spencers chapel paintings. Incredible! I never really had an interest in such a scinating artist before this programme.

The idea of having through a hole in the sheet is a myth and is not practised by anybody, so thats definitely not worth observing

Observant Jewish women go to the bath house 7 days after menstrual bleeding stops. The cleanliness mentioned, is spiritual and not physical. Menstruation involves the ejection of an egg and therefore has an element of death. The immersion marks the end of this period of spiritual uncleanliness. Only after this period (of abstinence, not menstruation) can a man and woman have intercourse.

On a night of otherwise delicate andnon-judgmental documentaries Icant be sure, but Id put money on Omaars not being a hatchet job the iconoclasm all came fromBritish Masters (BBC4). In the opening episode of his three-part series, art historian James Fox stirred things up by declaring that Picasso, Dali, Mir, Jackson Pollock et al were basically a bit rubbish and if you wanted to find the true Michelangelos of the 20thcentury then you need look no further than British artists Sickert, Wyndham Lewis, Nash and Spencer. Its not a view Ive ever heard anyone put forward before and, while Im still open to persuasion, I wasnt at all sure Fox had made his ca se by the end of the first episode.

What Id REALLY like to see is a documentary about those who Jews who live in the community but are gay, or choose not to marry or have kids….

I had a lot of time for Jack, 60 years in paradise and may he have many more.

yet found it utterly normal to be asked to go to a bath house before having presumably the men are naturally clean

Let me redefine Islam: Islam is not really even a religion. Thats a key point. Its a socio-political system that uses a deity to advance its agenda. Why do you think Islam is doing what its doing in the West, and being allowed the freedom to do what it is doing without being confronted? Because Islam passes itself off as a religion and thus, under the Constitution of the United States, has the protection of freedom of religion and therefore the protection of a religion to exist. If the United States finally comes to its senses and acknowledges that Islam is a socio-political system not a religion, so we need to reclassify what Islam is then the fight is on. Then we will address Islam just like we addressed Naziism, scism, communism, and all these ideologies.

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I thought Bernette was an absolute diamond. What a shame that even she as a comparitively un-orthodox Jew is having to bow to peer pressure for ever stricter conformity by wearing a wig at all times. Of course she laughed it all off whilst on camera, but I think that the insular ultra-orthodox Hasidic values and doctrines that are seemingly permeating and gaining credence throughout the Jewish community are an ever growing powder keg just waiting for a spark and are a cause for genuine concern.

I think also British art probably does punch above its weight in the market actually , especially Spencer, Hockney …Bacon, Freud…

Rev. Abraham: There are two types of moderate Muslims. First, let us talk about an American. Youve got a moderate Muslim who really doesnt know anything about Islam. All hes doing are the five pillars of Islam the best he can. He prays five times a day. Its a memorized, repetitive prayer. When I was four years old, my ther prayed, and I heard his prayer. We brought him to the United States, and I heard him pray and it was exactly, word for word, what I remembered from when I was a child. All hes doing is the five pillars of Islam to appease Allah. Hes doing his duty. Now, if he decides to be ithful, and be serious about Islam, and really dig deeper into Islamic theology and history and the life of Mohammed, then hes got two choices to make. He either becomes Osama bin Laden, or leaves Islam for another religion or becomes agnostic. I have some friends who are former jihadists. They used to work for PLO, Hez-bollah, Hamas, and so on. The deeper they dug into Islam, they realized there was something wrong, and they started looking into really spiritual things. They left Islam and became Christians.

However, just like walking the streets of Stoke Newington after dark - it was a tad sinister.

But Joel, the non-Kosher, non-religious owner of a womens clothes shop seemed just daft - whatever the ith, either you believe or you dont. So if you want to be religious, be religious. If you dont, dont. Dont just pick it like some shion accessory because you ncy a bit of a do.

I think we were supposed to wonder at the jollity and attraction of living in a religeous fundamentalist society.

The sad mixed in with the happy mixed in with the ritual mixed with the frivolous all in the right proportions.

TNA: Since September 11, 2001, there has been a great deal of talk about moderate Islam and moderate Muslims. Is there such a thing as a moderate Islam that Mohammed would have recognized as genuinely Islamic?

The bathhouse is called a mikvah and it is a ritual that women partake in after their menstruation.

This article is lacking in basic knowledge of the Jewish religion- ridiculing its laws without an understanding of them-it is shameful that such ignorant commentary is published.

There is nothing we can do to stop them (from spreading slander and lies). We just have to educate the public on what is true and what is real. On the other hand, if we do not stop them they will go all out to run down the government, he said.

Sarawak is a multi racial state. The people live in racial harmony despite the many colours, he said when urging Sarawakians not to use religion to divide themselves.

If you care to observe carefully, I have never attacked the good people in either block, he said without elaborating what he meant by attacking people.

The best way to counter the radio now is to educate the public by telling them not to listen to RFS programmes and be critical when analysing their news.

He also rubbished talks that he was a radio mercenary earning 6,000 pounds per month.

When contacted yesterday, Peter said he was a living as a deejay for RFS and that he reported to another controversial figure &8211; Clare Rewcastle &8211; who runs RFS and Sarawak Report blog. Rewcastle is the sister in-law of former British prime minister Gordon Brown.

I would like to advise Malaysians to follow our style. Protest in peace, do not burn cars, shops, homes or government properties. Treat it as a picnic, bring along your guitars and sing along, he said.

He said he wotrue religioControversial DJ claims living in exile in UKuld not like to attack the good ones in either PR or BN.

He also dismissed claims that RFS was all out to run down the state government.

Peter said he also feared reprisal judging from the threats he received through SMS, emails and Facebook.

true religioControversial DJ claims living in exile in UK,He said he did not dare to come back home to Sarawak because of what the Home Ministry had stated recently &8211; that he was a potential subject under the Internal Security Act.

He also advised politicians not to use religious issues for political gain because the consequences would always be bad.

KUCHING: Controversial figure Peter John Jaban who used the pseudonym DJ Papa Orang Utan over Radio Free Sarawak (RFS) has claimed that he is livingtrue religion uk in political exile in the UK.

In February this year, Chief Political Secretary to Chief Minister Abdul Karim Rahman Hamzah said RFS was all out to run down the state government but admitted there was nothing they could do to stop them from telling lies.

Karim, who is Asajaya assemblyman, also urged the police, Home Ministry and MCMC to take action against RFS if it breached the law or commit slander.

Should people want to communicate with him they can do so through Facebook under the account of Papa Orang Utan Peter. Peter was formerly attached to the Land and Survey Department and was a Cats Radio deejay

Peter said he was also a member of another controversial group the Raja Petra Kamaruddin-led Malaysian Civil Liberties Movement based in London whose members have declared themselves as a third force. As a social activist, he participated in several peaceful protests in London.

He said he did what he was doing on his own free will, and not for the material gain. He also said that he was not affiliated to any political party in Malaysia, but said that there were good and bad people in both Pakatan Rakyat (BN) and Barisan Nasional (BN).

In 2006 Tony Blair stated that those who could not accept tolerance should not come to the UK. Britain now requires applicants for citizenship to pass a &8220;life in the UK test&8221;, requiring applicants to indicate, among other things, an awareness that gender equality is the law.

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The process of working out a society&8217;s &8220;non-negotiables&8221; will be complicated and difficult. Moreover, such a process of negotiation should always remain sensitive to the difficulties that migrants ce and Europe&8217;s long and shameful history of racism.

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Other countries, such as the Netherlands and the UK have run into trouble by assuming that such problems would not arise and subsequently causing resentment by abruptly turning their back on multicultural policies. Ireland has the advantage of coming late to the immigration game and can learn from these mistakes by it clear early on what we expect of immigrants and what values we require future citizens to sign up to.

Individualistic western European societies can learn much from Muslim approaches to community and charity. However, there are also certain kinds of change a society is entitled to reject. A country can remain open to immigration while it clear it does not intend to compromise on hard-won values such as liberalism, tolerance and respect for equality.

Immigration laws in all countries regularly vour those with certain traits. The young, the highly skilled, the healthy, those who speak the national language or with ancestral connections to the country are often voured. Is it not equally legitimate for states to give preference to those who are committed to pluralism, tolerance and gender equality?

Although the recent French decision to turn down citizenship to a man who refuses to let his wife speak or leave home without his permission has been challenged in court, this appeal is unlikely to succeed. The French supreme administrative court made clear in the 2008 Madame M&160;case that those who choose to immigrate to France can legitimately be required to accept the fundamental values of the republic, including gender equality.

While the relevant French law applies to all, it is true that many of those who supported it have been motivated by hostility towards Muslims. This is espetrue religion ukcially true of politicians like National Front leader Marine le Pen, whose party has never been keen on the gender equality it now so vigorously defends.

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Similarly, controversies relating to the book The Satanic Verses and Danish cartoons of the prophet Muhammad, showed deep differences between elements of immigrant communities and mainstream western views of the acceptability of lampooning religion.

Nonetheless, there are significant differences between predominant western European approaches to issues such as gender equality, ual liberalism and criticism of religion, and approaches in much of the world, including many Muslim-majority countries. As Irish society becomes more diverse, it is highly likely these differences will produce here the kind of difficult issues in relation to tolerance of intolerance that we have seen in our European partners.

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It is inevitable that migration from areas where matters of gender and uality are still largely patriarchal and conservative will raise complicated issues. In the Netherlands, for example, major increases in attacks on gay couples by individuals from cultural bactrue religioIreland must not accept intolerance from immigrantkgrounds that are traditionally intolerant of homouality have been recorded.

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true religioIreland must not accept intolerance from immigrant,CONTRARY TO the suggestion of the editorial of June 13th (&8220;Citoyens&8221;), moves to require immigrants to sign up to liberal and egalitarian values are not a French particularity, but have been seen in the immigration law of a range of European countries.

Furthermore, it appears that, particularly under multicultural arrangements, time is not bridging the gap in values and the children of immigrants are not moving any closer to liberal values than their parents. A 2009 Gallup survey of European Muslims found zero per cent of British Muslims agreed that homouality was &8220;acceptable&8221;, a figure strikingly lower than that of Muslims in non-multicultural France (35 per cent). The Pew Research organisation has also found French Muslims to be r likelier than those in the UK to say their primary identity was &8220;French&8221; than British Muslims were to choose &8220;British&8221;.

A 2004 survey of religion and politics worldwide by Harvard and Michigan professors Pippa Norris and Ronald Inglehart showed western European approaches to gender equality and ual liberalism deviate strongly from approaches in many other areas of the world, particularly areas with Muslim majorities.

For more than 40 years, Charles Bradley played small shows across the US, his tough, ragged holler of a voice appreciated only by the crowd in front of him. There were more downs than ups during that time, but he feels his time has come

However, it is simplistic to conclude, as your editorial does, that such laws and policies are solely attributable to hysteria or prejudice. Many who are neither racist nor anti-immigration are legitimately concerned at the possible impact on hard-won freedoms of a ilure to ensure migrants respect principles such as gender equality and gay rights.

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OPINION:&160;It is not xenophobic or racist to have immigration laws that seek to give preference to migrants who are committed to tolerance, writes RONAN McCREA&160;

In Germany, the citizenship process in many L&228;nder includes questions on gender equality and same- partnerships as part of a process designed to verify that applicants accept the &8220;values of the constitution&8221;. Austria imposes an &8220;integration contract&8221; on immigrants, while Dutch immigration authorities now require potential immigrants to indicate an awareness of gender equality and to watch an informational DVD about the Netherlands that includes footage of a same- couple.

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As your editorial points out, these tests are, to a significant degree, motivated by xenophobia, prejudice and anti-immigrant sentiment. In particular, elements of the Dutch and German approaches have been applied selectively, targeting immigrants from mainly Muslim countries while exempting others.

Europe should remain open to immigration. European cultures will surely benefit from the immigrants&8217; contributions. A confident and open approach to the cultural change this will bring is in the interests of immigrants and the host society.

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